Northern Sold
12:35 Wed Jan 23
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Actually one of my MATES made it... at the age of 26... was on West ham books (saw him play a few times including running Tony Adams ragged and notching a hat trick against him) ... in the same youth team as Paul Ince... was told he was too light weight... ended up playing the same standard of Sunday football I was at the age of 21... played Cricket with him as well... decided out of the blue half way thro' the season to go on a soccer scholarship course to the US... played college football (in front of 50k crowds) and broke the Goal scoring record (think it still stands) for college games... got in the MLS (Collarado Rapids) and then Rochdale bought him at the age of 26 ... season with them... and then decided to jack it all in Mike Marsh style and took a nice pay out for a knee injury.... he was not a snowflake... a waster yup... but not a snow flake...
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eusebiovic
12:35 Wed Jan 23
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It's bad parenting...they emancipate their kids and then they can't deal with disappointment when it inevitably arrives...
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SUM A DING WONG
12:33 Wed Jan 23
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Lily,
Sorry mate, you'll have ro explain that one. You can argue against what jve said. But, its hardly weird?
Now you're making me paranoid!!
;-)
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Rossal
12:30 Wed Jan 23
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A host of things, money obviously being one
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Northern Sold
12:29 Wed Jan 23
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... because of the money yeah??
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Rossal
12:26 Wed Jan 23
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By riches i meant....
Obviuosly the cash, but also the dream to have your job as playing football. Paid to do the thing you'd do for free. Being part of a team or a organisation where fans adore you, playing in front of packed stadiums every week. Every aspect of being a pro footballer is one a kid dreams of.
And Sold your comparing the game from 30 years ago its diff ball game now, like i said from being in the system i can see how some kids end up down that route. To just call them snowflakes etc is arrogant
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Eerie Descent
12:03 Wed Jan 23
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"The riches on offer are every kids dream"
No wonder this country hasn't won a world cup for over 50 years, when that is the motivation.
I think that one statement is EOT, to be honest.
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claret on my shirt
12:01 Wed Jan 23
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my sisters kid spent from the age 11 basically wanting to be a vet, got the gcse' got the a'levels, went to uni and did 5 years and he had to be in the top stupid % to get a position and he worked his arse off and failed. Did he whinge and moan about it, a little as it's human nature but he got on with life and got a good job etc. We can't all be what we want to be, no one owes us anything.
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Northern Sold
11:55 Wed Jan 23
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Leave it out Rossal... I can think of 20-30 odd blokes I know that were on the books that never made it.... we have 4 playing in our Veterans at the mo... one was let go by Chelsea... another Millwall and the other 2 Southend... I can think of another 20 odd that was in the same boat... I was amazed that players like Spencer Prior made it when he was quite simply fucking rubbish at the level when we was knocking about... out of all those people I know not ONE was ever clinically depressed... yeah a couple thought fuck that and gave up when they probably had a chance with another club but not one I know went on fucking valium because of it.... fucking clinical depression... be-fucking-have...
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Eerie Descent
11:49 Wed Jan 23
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SUM, my point about Oxford was that he was being tipped as a future England captain. And to be honest, after seeing him against Shrewsbury last season, and seeing the damning assessment of him when he went on loan to Reading, and the fact he can't get on the bench when we only have 2 fit senior centre backs, speaks volumes.
I'll be surprised if he makes it as a Championship player.
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Rossal
11:42 Wed Jan 23
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Sold that is not a good post at all. Having spent time in the system when i was younger i can totally understand why kids are affected mentally. The riches on offer are every kids dream, and i think the system sucks you in to feel like you are alot closer to first team football, or the next contract etc than what you are.
Comparing it to kids from world war two and basically calling these kids pathetic is poor
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Lily Hammer
11:36 Wed Jan 23
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SUM A DING WONG 11:06 Wed Jan 23
Would you like me to go back in time and write something on this thread to make your post a bit less weird?
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Northern Sold
11:24 Wed Jan 23
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`It does lead to these kids being clinically depressed on some occasions... not "a bit unhappy"... it properly affects their mental health`.
What the fuck....?? Go back 100-200 years you had 14 year old's joining up to fight and die for this country... you know when this great Isle had a bit of back bone and a fucking Empire... now they are getting Clinically Depressed (in Fifth's world) if they are not be given a million pound contract at that age... I know what I'd do if it was my son and no it would not be the `Ahhh poor Johnny' routine that so many parents seem to go down the route of.... absolute snowflakes
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Northern Sold
11:20 Wed Jan 23
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wrighty 11:01 Wed Jan 23
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Its no wonder clubs look abroad for kids now.
In one... fucking hell what a snowflake generation we got....
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SUM A DING WONG
11:14 Wed Jan 23
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A massive problem, especially nowadays, is that most people think football begins and ends with the Premier League.
Silly cunts.
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Hermit Road
11:12 Wed Jan 23
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Want an example of good parenting. Take Antonio's mum. She wouldn't let him go to Spurs because it would mean too much travelling and would have a disproportionate impact on his life. Good woman that is, she was teaching her son that football isn't the be all and end all to which you sacrifice anything and that her son's wellbeing was not important to her than the chance to be a mother of a celebrity.
Also, she hates spurs.
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cholo
11:09 Wed Jan 23
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There definitely seems to be a sense of entitlement from particular parents and players, totally incredulous that their special boy isn't good enough, it must be the club's fault.
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SUM A DING WONG
11:06 Wed Jan 23
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Lily,
As much as we have a go at Oxford (and righly so), he is still going to make it as a professional footballer, somewhere, and make a decent living.
Wrighty,
Youre sort of right. But, even if there are only a couple of players that might look like they are going to make it for the first team, there should still be at least 5 or 6 players like Jordan Spence, who go onto have a professional career at a decent level. What we would all of given to have been in Jordan Spence's shoes. I can't even aspire to be in Louie Spence's shoes!
;-)
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SUM A DING WONG
11:06 Wed Jan 23
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Lily,
As much as we have a go at Oxford (and righly so), he is still going to make it as a professional footballer, somewhere, and make a decent living.
Wrighty,
Youre sort of right. But, even if there are only a couple of players that might look like they are going to make it for the first team, there should still be at least 5 or 6 players like Jordan Spence, who go onto have a professional career at a decent level. What we would all of given to have been in Jordan Spence's shoes. I can't even aspire to be in Louie Spence's shoes!
;-)
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Italian hammer
11:04 Wed Jan 23
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I do not know the figures in UK but here in Italy there is a proportion that says that just one kid out of the 25.000 who are enrolled every year in all football academies in the country will reach professional status.
Kids are dumped out from the youth teams of professional clubs but taht is not harsh treatment is just the rule of the game.
If a club lose a good young player is its loss in the first place.
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Hermit Road
11:02 Wed Jan 23
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Fifth. That is the parents job. The kids are not clinically depressed as a result of being released, if they're clinically depressed it is because they have been brought up by parents who have given them distorted expectations and haven't done their job which is to protect them and teach them to be emotionally resilient. Kids who haven't been brought up with the weight of their parents expectations survive quite well when they are let go.
Again, this is a question of parental and personal responsibility.
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